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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode

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of arcane radio where we explore the

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unexplained

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here on the paranormal team radio

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network i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you within a cannon shot

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of historic gettysburg pennsylvania i

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thank you for joining me

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now tonight i welcome phantoms of

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monsters forty research investigators

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tobias whalen and emmanuel navarette to

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arcane radio

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now tobias manuel and i have uh been

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investigating

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this uh chicago lake michigan mothman

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phenomenon now

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well together i guess since 2017 but

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manuel and i have both been

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looking into this since the 2011

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sightings

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and uh you know then again

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you know when this the influx of these

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sites began in early 2017

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then uh tobias were bored with the team

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so you know these encounters continue to

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occur

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which is interesting because i got a

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phone call from a sighting

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of supposed sighting at o'hara tonight

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just before the show

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i gotta call the guy back so uh but you

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know

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since they keep con occurring but with

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the new variations

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and descriptions uh that need to be

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documented or researched and

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investigated

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you know it's gonna it keeps us busy so

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to this date

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uh we have well over a hundred incidents

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that we have deemed

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credible so uh tobias and

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emmanuel thanks for coming on the show

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tonight thanks for having me

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pleasure to be here well guys i guess we

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ought to start from the beginning

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uh for those who don't really know what

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or have any idea what this is though i

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don't know if that's

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that's possible but uh manuel i want you

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to tell us about the three sides of 2011

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and kind of set the stage for what's

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been going on

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well the initial sighting started with a

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pair of young ladies that were

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students at the university of illinois

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chicago uic

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and if you don't know that whole area

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it's like just this huge

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campus it takes up it makes up an entire

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not only do you have the campus and the

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dorms and everything but you have a lot

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of off dorm or off-site

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apartment buildings and satellite

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buildings that

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they lived in an apartment building they

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were up on the third floor

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and they had just gotten home and they

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were getting ready to go out

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uh for the night they were gonna go

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enjoy the evening out

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and um as they were getting ready uh one

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girls who was in her room getting

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mirror she looked or turned around and

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she came face to face with something

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with glowing red eyes

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um staring back at her and

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she basically lack of a better word

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freaked

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um started screaming and

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was just completely petrified when the

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roommate ran into the room found her

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cowering in a corner

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small as possible

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um she described to her friend that she

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felt like a rabbit about to be pounced

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on by an owl

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she just got this feeling like she was

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about to become prey

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girl says i i looked out the window and

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there's nothing there's a

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30-foot drop straight down to the

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courtyard below so

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whatever it is was probably you know

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latched onto the building or something

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or a sill but um she saw nothing

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living room and

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they um she tried to control her she

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went back into her room to get something

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it was back it was staring at her and

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she said the same thing

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it felt like it was ready to go through

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the window and pounce at her at any

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second she just had

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overwhelming fear she also freaked out

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uh they are both in hysterics now

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coincidentally her boyfriend

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and his friend were on their way to

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and they were passing through a park

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that's nearby

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and they said they saw a

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a winged creature that was perched

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they said it was approached on a

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basketball goal

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and that the thing had taken off and

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they could see it in the air

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um about this time you know they called

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the girls and the girls are like going

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hysterical

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um they're screaming you know out loud

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and the boyfriend and the friend run to

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the apartment

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and it's just that's where the whole

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story kind of comes together

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they said that they had to the police

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actually showed up because i guess the

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neighbors thought there was something

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going on and uh they had to tell them

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that no they saw something in the window

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um they said they had to kind of dismiss

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the police because they didn't want

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anything to

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happen um but they said that

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it freaked them out so much that they

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didn't even leave that night

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they stayed in the whole weekend

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and they said that they had all the

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windows drawn all the curtains were

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so later they had a

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gentleman who was from uh i believe it

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was new zealand or australia

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that was a uh student at uic

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that also was in that same park and saw

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a winged humanoid

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uh fly over he described it as a large

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sugar glider which was an animal that's

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native to his land but

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if you've ever seen a sugar glider um

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kind of help me out here a little bit uh

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they're about the size of your the palm

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of your hand

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tiny little things

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um but they have that membranous wing

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extends from their hands down to their

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legs

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and they spread it out when they fly uh

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this thing was much much much bigger

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um he said it was silent he said it had

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glowing red eyes

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and that was basically it those three

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sightings all happened in 2011

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and in october that we had one in each

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of those three months

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yeah you know it's interesting and

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you know i you and i had discussed this

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when it first

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started coming up of course the

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the well-known photograph of the uh

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of the one gliding above the uh the old

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indian statue that used to sit there

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what was that pulaski was that all plask

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avenue that's right off there was

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yeah and uh you know

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that photograph really i still don't

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know what the hell that thing was

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you know that that was and it's hard to

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tell what size was the wing structure

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was unlike anything i'd ever seen before

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i have an opinion on what that is

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actually that emily helped me out with

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if you guys uh remember it was

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last year sometime i believe there was a

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photograph

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circulating around the internet briefly

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of you know somebody who said that they

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had you know captured a picture of you

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know maybe mothman in in chicago i think

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it was lollapalooza last year

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and um you know we we got the image we

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blew it up

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and it was a monarch butterfly oh

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really yeah and that's something that

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uh you know emily spends a lot of time

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on she actually raises monarchs here

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uh you know as part of the the effort to

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rehabilitate the the species

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and so she raises monarchs and black

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swallow tales

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and uh you know something she's really

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into and so um

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after that happened and that was

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positively uh

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identified you know we went back and

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looked at that that pulaski

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photograph and you know

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it's the right shape to be something

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like a

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a question mark butterfly which is you

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know a specific type of butterfly

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and reading that account the guy says

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well he took three photos

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and the the creature shows up only in

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the the second i think

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and so it made a lot of sense to me

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because he didn't see it at the

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the time you know it was only later

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after he had taken this

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this picture right you know when and he

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went and looked at it he was like what

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the hell is that

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and um so it made a lot of sense to me

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that if it was

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something like a a butterfly it could

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have flown you know relatively close to

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him in front of him

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uh zipped past him he gets it in only

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one photograph doesn't see it at the

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goes back later and because of forced

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perspective

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you know with the the statue right there

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it it easily could be mistaken for

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something big

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and far away oh i mean absolutely i mean

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that and that does make sense we really

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haven't been able to figure out

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what that really was just by the shape

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and you know you mentioned yeah it does

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have the profile

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of a butterfly uh you know it was kind

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of stretched out

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uh without flapping its wings so right

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very i remember uh some of the

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protractors say you know

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it's a a specific kind of of kite

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yeah the thing is it's a kite

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that high in the city um where would you

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fly it from

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it's all not only that i went back and

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checked the wind

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speeds in in that part in in chicago

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that day

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yeah and the highest the highest

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recorded win was two mile an hour it was

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still

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yeah so i'm not afraid of a skeptical uh

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explanation but that kite

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uh that that hypothesis always struck me

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as just lazy

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and dismissive yeah well we got a lot of

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lazy and dismissal

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during this investigation i mean you

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know

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mufon's were trying to shoot us down

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from the very beginning though they

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and from people don't know those first

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three sightings

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came from mufon i mean they were

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actually reported to

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mufon and then in 2017 i believe

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the first three or four actually came

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through mufon as well

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though manuel was able to track down

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one of the witnesses at oz park uh

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and then of course billy bans contacted

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me

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later about an earlier setting which had

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gone

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in he had seen in march not far from uh

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well he was out in cicero

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so um yeah

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you know this um you know and and

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quite frankly and we have gotten older

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reports between

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2011 and 2017 since we've been doing

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this investigation

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so it's not like there hasn't been

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sightings uh but

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you know between 2011 2017 there has

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been the people just hasn't haven't come

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forth so uh but of course now since

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you know we've been reporting on this uh

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people

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seem uh less afraid to come forward

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on on these sightings

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oh sure we filled in quite a bit of the

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the timeline honestly

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really even just looking from like say

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those

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uh initial reports from from 2011

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uh between 2017 than when the the

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those three mufon reports came in um

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you know there there are a significant

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number of sightings that have been

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reported

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in that time period since this

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investigation began

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you know largely from people who you

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know

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uh saw that uh finally there was a place

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they could go to to actually report

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these things

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where somebody would would take them

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seriously

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uh somebody had asked in the chat room

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about

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if there had been mothman sized before

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the point pleasant moth man well

361
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quite frankly there have been and uh

362
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you know they weren't publicized now i i

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don't think they were

364
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in the area around point pleasant but

365
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that in west virginia

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even all the appalachians have a strange

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history of

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winged beings i i will tell you this

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if you want to get a good history of it

370
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uh

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small town monsters is going to be

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releasing a film

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entitled mothman legacy and

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i got the preview and i know tobias has

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the preview as well

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yeah and it's very in-depth it tells a

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lot about

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the folklore the history

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and some of the phenomena that has

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happened in and around the uh

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appalachia particularly you know in west

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virginia

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and up and down the uh ohio river valley

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and god knows we've gotten a lot of

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crazy stuff the whole way through the

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ohio river valley so uh

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yeah it's and plus it's got a lot of

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indigenous

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history as well so um

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yeah so i just wanted to mention that so

391
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you know if you uh

392
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if you take a if you when that comes out

393
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i think it's coming out

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uh uh end of october i think end of in

395
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okay

396
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i know because i uh i was going to write

397
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a review

398
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on it but i think they didn't want to

399
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hold off on it

400
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it's out yeah seth told me the the same

401
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thing i was all ready to do it like

402
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this but yeah you know you also have to

403
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think that

404
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that whole area the ohio river valley

405
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the appalachia

406
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you know they have a rich native

407
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american history

408
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and basically the whole us almost every

409
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american tribe even the um inuits

410
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have reports or stories of winged beans

411
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um you know they've called them by many

412
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names like thunderbirds you know the the

413
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harpies the

414
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different but they've all had some kind

415
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of winged humanoid

416
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uh sighting or or

417
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report or story and

418
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:01,680
so you know those things have to have

419
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comes from somewhere

420
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you know there's a basis even you know

421
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mythology

422
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there's always um somewhere

423
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very very far down the line of truth of

424
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you know a grain of truth and something

425
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:17,279
that might have started

426
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you know a mess but you know

427
00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:23,120
there's a lot in throughout the entire

428
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,199
world of wing humanoid so

429
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:27,279
you know to say that this is something

430
00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:28,240
that's recent

431
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:31,519
is you know it's just false i mean it's

432
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this is something that's been going on

433
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,560
for possibly

434
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centuries maybe millennium before we

435
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,800
even knew about it

436
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,040
oh yeah i mean definitely yeah yeah but

437
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:43,279
you know the upper midwest

438
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:46,639
uh has had oh my god

439
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:50,160
it's had centuries worth of uh flying

440
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:53,199
cryptid reports when critter reports

441
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,320
uh and you know all that comes from the

442
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:58,959
native people that had lived there

443
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,680
and uh it is quite astounding when you

444
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:03,440
start hearing some of the history about

445
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:04,240
it

446
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:07,439
uh now as far as what we've been

447
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,439
investigating

448
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:11,760
uh i don't know i don't know how to

449
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,319
classify it even after all this time

450
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,199
i mean you know i i think there's a

451
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:19,120
strong possibility

452
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:21,520
that it's an interdimensional being of

453
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,480
some type

454
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:25,120
though i believe it is flesh and blood i

455
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:26,799
think it's corporal

456
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:30,480
uh but i do believe it has some

457
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:31,919
abilities to move in and out of

458
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:34,799
realities now

459
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,000
you know it that that's that's

460
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,799
a guess to me i mean as far as what i

461
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,080
believe it is just by

462
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,640
some of the information we've gotten but

463
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:46,080
by no way is it

464
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,280
a positive you know a positive theory

465
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,320
uh it's um

466
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:54,960
you know we we've had people have seen

467
00:18:02,710 --> 00:17:57,919
these things literally disappear

468
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:02,720
and uh we have had multiple sightings

469
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,320
very as far as time period goes

470
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,320
at you know in different places it's

471
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:10,880
around the same time

472
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:13,679
so uh you know the fact that most of

473
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,080
them

474
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did start in the chicago

475
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:21,600
area it has kind of branched out and uh

476
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,919
you know it's kind of encompassed three

477
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,520
different four different states

478
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:27,679
including michigan four different states

479
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:29,360
now so

480
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,720
and the thing about it is is because

481
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,720
it's in the chicago area that's what

482
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,000
makes it

483
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,720
so unique because all of the

484
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:39,760
conventional

485
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,520
explanations can't apply here

486
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,240
um when we had the first sightings that

487
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:47,760
after the three initial ones that

488
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:50,720
kicked off in 2017 we had uh the

489
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:51,919
columbus bridge

490
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uh citing it like the one with the lady

491
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:55,360
saw two of them

492
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,720
kind of doing figure eights amongst uh

493
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:01,039
with each other at the marina there at

494
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:02,640
the on the lakefront

495
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,600
right and i remember the first thing i

496
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:07,280
heard from mufon that's a guy in a

497
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,840
wingsuit

498
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,520
yeah so

499
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,919
i went out and found somebody who was an

500
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:15,840
expert and i showed them like okay

501
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,919
here's the columbus bridge you know the

502
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,280
columbus avenue bridge

503
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,600
can i fly under it around it and go

504
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:24,240
around he's like that's suicide like

505
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,360
you're basically a a wing suit you're

506
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:28,960
not in flight it's a controlled

507
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fall at speeds well in excess of a

508
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hundred miles an hour

509
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,640
you're not going to you're not going to

510
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,080
be doing figure eights with each other

511
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:40,320
because if you miscalculate even by a

512
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microsecond

513
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,280
you will collide with each other at high

514
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,120
speeds that if that impact doesn't kill

515
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:46,640
you the fall will

516
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um and if you try it anywhere in the

517
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city

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you are going to end up splattered

519
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:54,240
against you know a bridge

520
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,440
uh or of a building and

521
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,160
on top of the fact the chicago lakefront

522
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:02,000
is a no-fly zone other than for law

523
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,200
enforcement and

524
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,919
the coast guard and it is heavily

525
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:07,919
patrolled

526
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:10,960
and you pulled a stunt like that

527
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,240
they would be waiting for you uh

528
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:16,080
when you landed wherever you were they

529
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,280
would be waiting

530
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,720
uh to arrest you um we had an incident

531
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:21,760
about

532
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:25,200
when they were building us

533
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,559
one of the skyscrapers in chicago uh

534
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,600
two gentlemen climbed one of the tower

535
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:33,840
cranes and base jumped

536
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,360
um they they were they were arrested

537
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:38,559
within i believe

538
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,679
an hour um and it was captured on four

539
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,679
or five different video cameras

540
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,240
um surveillance cameras and people just

541
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,520
seeing you know

542
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:50,320
they said that when the the parachutes

543
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,880
opened

544
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,880
it's just the edible woosh to be heard

545
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,080
for blocks

546
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:56,320
windows that when they open they have a

547
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,679
pop to them

548
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,400
and that resonated that just attracted

549
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,600
people's attention

550
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,440
now that's two base jumpers in the

551
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,799
middle of the night

552
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:07,360
uh imagine somebody in broad daylight

553
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:08,000
doing this

554
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,600
with a wingsuit um it's gonna be all

555
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,919
over the news

556
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,880
you know probably you know the channel

557
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,559
seven news at six o'clock show them

558
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,120
scraping them off a building or

559
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,000
off a bridge but i mean that kind of a

560
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,520
stunt would be

561
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,880
it's just it was impossible and i just

562
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,440
loved how some of these uh explanations

563
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:32,720
you know the kite

564
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,000
the a wings a drone uh

565
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,840
on top of the fact though the billy bass

566
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,000
ones i believe were the drones

567
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,919
uh because he was right by midway

568
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,200
and they're saying oh it's a drone it's

569
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,520
a drone no he was literally

570
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,240
across the street from a major airport

571
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,679
um

572
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,320
they will not let you fly a drone in

573
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,400
that area

574
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,240
i mean imagine the consequence of one of

575
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:59,840
those drones got sucked up into an

576
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:00,400
engine

577
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,520
of a jet that was taken off uh

578
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,720
you know it would bring down a large

579
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,080
drone would bring down one of those

580
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,919
engines oh people could die

581
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,320
yeah oh that'd be hell to pay for that

582
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,080
yeah so

583
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,440
just the normal explanations are so

584
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,520
they're out they're just thrown out you

585
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,480
know

586
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,760
and the environment you're

587
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,440
you're talking so that's what makes it

588
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,799
so unique

589
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:29,039
um on top of the fact this is the third

590
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,000
largest city

591
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,960
in the nation i mean just i live in

592
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,440
melrose park which is a suburb and

593
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,240
i could draw a circle a one mile circuit

594
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,919
and i can guarantee there's at least

595
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:41,919
close to a million people

596
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,080
around me um it's a densely populated

597
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,960
area that's

598
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:49,760
active even even now with kova there's

599
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,480
still

600
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,679
people out and about especially along

601
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,799
the lakefront

602
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,039
right now you know for these things to

603
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,360
be happening and happening on such

604
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:02,640
a regular basis it's just um it makes it

605
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,520
unique and

606
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,440
that's what also gives it a good

607
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,039
investigative perspective because

608
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,320
all of the normal all of the normal

609
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,400
explanations go out the window because

610
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,159
of the environment you're dealing with

611
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,240
oh for sure and you know honestly like

612
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:17,760
if i just add on a

613
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,280
a little bit uh to the the so-called

614
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:24,080
early skeptical explanations i mean

615
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,840
what was so frustrating about those to

616
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,080
me is because again like i don't

617
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,640
i don't mind a mundane explanation if

618
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,000
that's what we land on

619
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,559
but we weren't talking about you know

620
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,000
investigators out there talking

621
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,240
to people really doing good

622
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:40,960
investigation they were literally just

623
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,919
dismissive explanations that were

624
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:44,480
seemingly

625
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,240
that they thought of and then they

626
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,000
they decided without really

627
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,679
investigating that that's what

628
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,200
it had to be so that's what it was

629
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,279
well you know i i think i think the

630
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:59,679
problem with this

631
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,640
uh and especially mufon you know mufon

632
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,039
got these reports initially

633
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:07,279
and i think it kind of chapped their

634
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,400
butts when you know

635
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,640
when they found that somebody else was

636
00:24:13,149 --> 00:24:11,440
actually

637
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,159
making some headway into these

638
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
investigations

639
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,720
and they did nothing they had they had

640
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:18,640
no intention of even

641
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,600
looking into these sightings right and

642
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,480
uh

643
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,559
you know i think that's a big rate a

644
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:27,279
reason why we got a lot of pushback

645
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,960
yes yes exactly and just some of the

646
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,120
i mean surprises right they were

647
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,640
grasping at straws you're just throwing

648
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:36,320
up on the wall see what they could stick

649
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,279
um

650
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,320
i believe the one we were on a show or i

651
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,840
was on a show with a mufon investigator

652
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,120
i believe you guys were

653
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,520
uh listening in with me because we were

654
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,279
all talking but

655
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,760
uh the one the one uh sighting i believe

656
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,120
was the second of the trio

657
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,640
where she saw it over the lake and then

658
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,159
they saw a light

659
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:56,559
afterwards i know that the green light

660
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,360
yeah

661
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,039
and he said oh that was a freighter that

662
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,799
was a freighter at night i said

663
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,760
no a freighter is huge and i've seen the

664
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,200
ships that go up and down the

665
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,880
the lakefront going toward uh the ports

666
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:11,279
they're huge they're ocean-going vessels

667
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:12,320
they're huge

668
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,520
from stem to stern are lit up

669
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,320
um you know because people are working

670
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:20,000
it's a 24-hour facility

671
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,600
and it's it's completely they're lit up

672
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,919
um and then there are also like certain

673
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,880
laws that you

674
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,559
that say you have to have this amount of

675
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,880
lighting and how could they say there's

676
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,600
one green orb and say that was a

677
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,559
freighter

678
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,559
uh that was his explaining that was a

679
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,480
freighter um

680
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,520
the one with uh i believe the

681
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,760
humble park that was probably somebody

682
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:45,679
in a costume

683
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,039
um i live in the chicago area

684
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,440
and humble park although it's changed in

685
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,120
the last few years it used to be one of

686
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,559
the worst neighborhoods you would

687
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,000
you would not go running around in a

688
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,000
suit in the middle of the night

689
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,279
uh in that area without risking yourself

690
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:04,559
uh to be shot um

691
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:08,240
but i mean these people saw something on

692
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,039
the ground

693
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,159
and they were right the first thing that

694
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,360
would come to mind that was the first

695
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,039
thing came to mind when i heard uh the

696
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,080
story was you know alec

697
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,520
because we all grew up with those

698
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,520
stories you know that's what the stories

699
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,360
that my grandmother used to use to scare

700
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:26,240
us um you know into behaviors if you

701
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,799
don't behave

702
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,919
literally it's going to come for you

703
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,400
tonight so um

704
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,520
but you know what was the other one the

705
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,559
one about the uh

706
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,720
chicago in the international fruit

707
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,720
market oh how is the produce market

708
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,520
yeah again the initial one was like how

709
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,120
could that someone seen it it was like

710
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,640
two o'clock in the morning no one was

711
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,960
around i was like no that

712
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,080
i work in trucking that place is active

713
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,960
24 7. especially more at night because

714
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,799
everyone's showing up to

715
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,080
to pick up loads that have to be

716
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:57,840
delivered the next morning

717
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,360
um so they're all there and you know

718
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:03,679
this thing was seen by multiple people

719
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,480
and yet

720
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,360
no one bothered to go out there no one

721
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:09,360
bothered to go out there and

722
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,279
interview uh anybody

723
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,240
out there to in that area i think one

724
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,760
person did but

725
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,200
when they went out there it was during

726
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,039
the middle of the day so

727
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:23,360
she's asking the completely wrong people

728
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,240
absolutely

729
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,399
no oh what happened last night i don't

730
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,000
know i i just came out of the ship at

731
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,760
six o'clock in the morning

732
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,320
oh you know unless there was something

733
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,000
major that i saw in the news

734
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,440
i i wouldn't know you know

735
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,720
um we got we got a question which is i

736
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:41,440
think is

737
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:45,200
pretty relevant uh if there's any chance

738
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,080
that

739
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,039
what we're seeing in and around chicago

740
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:50,960
is related to the mothman

741
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,240
from point pleasant well in my opinion

742
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,360
no

743
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,080
uh i had i had said for quite a while

744
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,240
now that i believe

745
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:03,200
that the the point pleasant moth man was

746
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,000
a summoned

747
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,919
beam and uh now i'm not saying that

748
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,000
these creatures

749
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,279
in uh chicago area or lake

750
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,440
michigan area are not summoned beings

751
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,880
but the whole

752
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,279
body structure wing structure was quite

753
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:21,039
different than what's being reported to

754
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:22,159
us

755
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:25,520
uh in fact i mean this this moth man

756
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,399
looked like a mall basically it though

757
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,080
it was humanoid it had

758
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,159
but it had the moth wings or butterfly

759
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,600
type wings

760
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,880
uh it did have the big red eyes though

761
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,480
they were set further down

762
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,279
into the body it actually had a body

763
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,840
that was

764
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,520
somewhat more substantial than what

765
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:47,840
they're seeing out in chicago

766
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,279
and uh it did seem to be somewhat

767
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:52,240
aggressive

768
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:56,159
i believe it was there uh to protect

769
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:00,640
whatever spirit was around that tnt area

770
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,200
or the

771
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,440
west virginia ordinance works i do

772
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,760
believe it was a summit being like a

773
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,720
sentinel

774
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,760
or guardian and uh i

775
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,960
i do believe that's you know it's much

776
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,120
different than what's being seen

777
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,360
now we've had human we've had wing

778
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,679
humanoid sightings in other places as

779
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:20,799
well

780
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:25,600
and uh you know quite frankly

781
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,960
many very few well let's put it this way

782
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,799
many more are much different than what

783
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,880
we're seeing in point pleasant

784
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,679
sure you know it there is definitely a

785
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,679
difference so no i don't believe

786
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,799
it's related anyway to what was seen out

787
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,840
in point blizzard

788
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,760
now this is one of the the rare

789
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,919
occasions where i think lon and i

790
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,200
uh uh disagree somewhat um

791
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,120
because well because i do think there's

792
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,559
some connection i mean

793
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:55,039
you know i i went back you know and of

794
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,600
course i

795
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,679
reread the the mothman prophecies and

796
00:30:02,710 --> 00:29:59,120
looked at some of the old

797
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:02,720
uh accounts and stuff and you see

798
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,399
some variation in the the eyewitness

799
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,840
accounts from the 66 to 67 flap in in

800
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:11,120
west virginia

801
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:14,880
and people do use descriptors like

802
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,080
a giant bird thing with with red eyes

803
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,640
you know what i mean um and so like like

804
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,000
they're they're

805
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,200
there is that similarity that exists now

806
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:28,799
definitely not all or even most of

807
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,559
the uh lake michigan sightings match

808
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,559
exactly you know what people were

809
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,679
describing in

810
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,159
in point pleasant but some of them do

811
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,240
like some of them definitely do

812
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,600
um at least you know some of the the

813
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,960
sightings you know because again there

814
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,720
was some variation you know

815
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,480
between witnesses which is exactly what

816
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,559
you would expect that always happens

817
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,240
and so like that combined with the

818
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,039
general experience that people describe

819
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,480
you know like there's this sort of

820
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,240
specific narrative

821
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,519
of you know people being out

822
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,000
doing something relatively innocuous

823
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,919
whether it's you know hanging out in an

824
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,720
old tnt

825
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,000
area with you know your your friends or

826
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,760
you know hanging out in the park in

827
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,360
chicago or something

828
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,120
where they're just outgoing about their

829
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,960
business and they run headlong

830
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,840
into this winged being that scares the

831
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,360
crap out of them

832
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,360
and you know they they report this

833
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,960
almost like supernatural

834
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,000
fear um and so that's that's another

835
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,080
connection that that's really stuck with

836
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,640
me um and so you know i i don't know it

837
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,640
that it's the same creature

838
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,480
but i think yeah that's what i meant i

839
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,159
don't think it's the same creature

840
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,159
oh sure yeah i just think it's it's at

841
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:43,519
least related

842
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,960
uh in in in the way that you know i i

843
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,159
think these things come

844
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:51,440
from the same place kind of you know

845
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:51,840
like

846
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,799
they they they operate on the same level

847
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,720
oh yeah i agree with that i mean

848
00:32:02,870 --> 00:31:59,519
i i think they're definitely beings from

849
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,880
another reality i i that i do believe

850
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,000
now uh but why

851
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,519
all these sightings in the chicago

852
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,720
area i i don't know uh you know that's

853
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:14,159
something we just haven't been able to

854
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:14,960
figure out

855
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,320
why they are showing up uh

856
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,559
why you know what's the reason for it

857
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,679
you know

858
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,279
i mean that's a great question we may

859
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,120
never figure that out

860
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,240
right so uh you know

861
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,760
i i just i just believe that well just

862
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,480
like

863
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,399
more recently we've been getting these

864
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,159
settings in and around the uh

865
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,519
o'hare international airport uh since

866
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,799
october 1st actually and uh well

867
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,559
manuel's been out there he's been

868
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,399
investigating he actually saw something

869
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,600
as well

870
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,960
but uh you know like why is this

871
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:52,720
happening out there

872
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:56,080
i mean we do have a ufo report

873
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,279
that may actually be related to it

874
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,840
the person did see some type of humanoid

875
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,200
or being

876
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,720
ascend into the ufo but

877
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,279
not enough evidence to believe that it

878
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,720
was a wing being the

879
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,120
you know we don't know uh there was a

880
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,200
sighting in rosemont

881
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,399
where an an alien type being

882
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,960
was seen in the presence of this thing

883
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,840
as well as two female

884
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:28,880
possibly humanoids possibly

885
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,080
some type of extraterrestrial

886
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,200
uh and you know in the presence

887
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,000
there was a blue flash of light the the

888
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,440
alien and the two

889
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,480
females suddenly disappeared

890
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,440
and this winged being took off and flew

891
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:46,880
away

892
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:50,640
um dad's sighting as well

893
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,159
had a almost like an mib men in black

894
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,799
experience with it where somebody came

895
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,320
up to the witness

896
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,640
and wanted her to tell them about it

897
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,960
though there was no way

898
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,960
they got any information from us because

899
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,000
we had just started

900
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,919
talking well now you're talking to her

901
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,760
we had just started communicating with

902
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:10,879
her

903
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:14,960
and uh we hadn't said a thing to anybody

904
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,159
so there are a lot of variables

905
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,280
that are going on basically

906
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,000
and i mean and a lot of this this stuff

907
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,079
has only been going on now since

908
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:29,679
since october so i don't know you know

909
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:30,079
and this

910
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,760
this other thing that we got recently

911
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,399
with the uh the humanoid possible

912
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,320
humanoid scene

913
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,839
uh behind the uh convention center back

914
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:42,800
there in

915
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:45,919
rosemont well

916
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,470
these uh uh preservation areas seem to

917
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,520
be

918
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
quite active with these humanoids that

919
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,480
is the first time we've heard that

920
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,599
oh we've had we had the one in uh

921
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,280
schiller woods i was just gonna bring

922
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,880
that up yeah yeah

923
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,359
and they actively said they were there

924
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,800
to do a wicked ritual

925
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,839
and i know for a fact by i have

926
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,960
i myself am pagan and i have quite a lot

927
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,640
of friends in the community

928
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,720
they go out to reserve the preserve

929
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:23,040
because it's quiet no one's gonna bother

930
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,359
you

931
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,000
uh and for the most part everyone just

932
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,000
leaves themselves leaves you alone

933
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,800
um and you can go in there and pretty

934
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:31,920
much get away from

935
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,359
everybody um and still walk out be

936
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,640
within walking distance of

937
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,839
cars or whatever and yeah a lot of

938
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,480
places

939
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,400
you go out there and you will see a lot

940
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,960
of like you know little you know

941
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:47,520
impromptu altars that have been made or

942
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,240
you know little

943
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,720
uh where they've had like a fire going

944
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,680
or something

945
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,640
so and they said in that sighting that

946
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,480
they were out there to do a ritual and

947
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,839
they were in the middle of a ritual when

948
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,920
the sighting happened

949
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,920
see that's not the only pagan connection

950
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,240
we have too because i talked to

951
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,359
a witch in chicago uh

952
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,480
had to be back in 2017 2018

953
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,079
and uh she talked about how uh

954
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,400
just before all of this stuff started

955
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,960
happening like the 2017 stuff

956
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:21,599
started happening uh she had been out

957
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,079
with

958
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:25,760
her uh girlfriend uh along the shore of

959
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,000
lake

960
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,320
michigan and they had performed uh this

961
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,400
summoning ritual it was a blood moon

962
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:33,200
that that night and and they wanted to

963
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:33,680
sort of

964
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,200
uh try to open a door to the other world

965
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,240
and as a result she had uh she

966
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,200
she said that she had this sort of uh uh

967
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,640
ecstatic vision for

968
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,280
for lack of a better term where you know

969
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,880
she saw what appeared to be

970
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,200
you know these bat creatures coming out

971
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,440
of of this this sort of portal as a

972
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,000
result

973
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,200
of of conducting this ritual so i mean i

974
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:58,880
don't know how that might be

975
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:02,160
uh connected but it certainly seems

976
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,680
uh uh suspicious if if nothing else you

977
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,800
know it seems like

978
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,240
it could be connected in some way well

979
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,440
you know another thing uh we had

980
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,040
nine sightings in the little village

981
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,320
area

982
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,119
and of course that's a highly hispanic

983
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,480
neighborhood

984
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:25,680
a lot of uh different beliefs

985
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:28,960
there uh possibly

986
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,240
santa majerto or even

987
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,880
something else yeah you have people

988
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,880
there in that area who practice santeria

989
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:38,640
they practice bruhidia they

990
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:42,079
practice kurandera uh a lot of those

991
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,640
places

992
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,079
do deal with summoning and in fact

993
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,640
interesting fact a lechuza is a summon

994
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,359
creature

995
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,839
right it's it's summoned to do the work

996
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:52,880
of the witch or

997
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,000
a witch who's transformed themselves and

998
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,040
it is very very prominent in

999
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:02,240
a little village there's you could take

1000
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,119
a drive down

1001
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,200
uh the middle of little village down the

1002
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:06,640
main drag and

1003
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,160
pass at least a dozen botanicals

1004
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:12,240
uh which are just stores that cater

1005
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,200
toward

1006
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,320
blue geria santeria folk

1007
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,880
folk remedies uh right plus there's also

1008
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,839
a burgeoning

1009
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,560
um religious group there that's that's

1010
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,520
kind of taken basically

1011
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,119
based on la suantan uh that also deals

1012
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,720
with witchcraft

1013
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,320
you know i think we're gonna have to

1014
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,400
eventually look into a lot of that

1015
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,760
a little more um

1016
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,760
though i don't think we've had any

1017
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,040
sightings

1018
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,880
in that neighborhood for almost two

1019
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,079
years now i think

1020
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:45,200
but you know i i i think with all this

1021
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,000
different type

1022
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,520
of summoning and you know whatever

1023
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,240
has been going on maybe this this is a

1024
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:53,839
uh

1025
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:58,560
this energy

1026
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:02,400
kind of coming together uh and opening

1027
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,640
up

1028
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,839
some type of doorway to to this thing

1029
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:08,000
i mean and we've we've had other

1030
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,520
theories as well

1031
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,560
uh you know of course i keep

1032
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:15,280
people keep telling me they believe that

1033
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,160
and and

1034
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,240
i think tobias believes a lot this is

1035
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:20,960
possibly a water connection

1036
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,040
uh you know if you look at the map

1037
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:27,440
and the location of the des plaines

1038
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:28,240
river

1039
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,240
that thing runs right along the uh

1040
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,960
the west the eastern side of o'hara

1041
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,079
internationally into

1042
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,480
uh rosemont and there's several

1043
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,240
preserves north of that

1044
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,040
where we have had sightings that river

1045
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,320
runs right through

1046
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,440
so i mean is the possibility that that

1047
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:49,280
may be

1048
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,200
involved as well so i don't know

1049
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,359
sure i mean there's a a couple different

1050
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,119
things i i think could be going on with

1051
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,800
with water i mean water has

1052
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,880
has long been associated with uh

1053
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,240
paranormal phenomena

1054
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:05,359
you know but on a a more

1055
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,880
uh mundane tack um you know some

1056
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,400
some of these sightings like you look at

1057
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,319
like pilsen for instance like the the

1058
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,240
the pilsen sighting where the guy

1059
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,560
you know had his his gopro camera on his

1060
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:18,160
on his helmet while he was bicycling to

1061
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,200
work and

1062
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,599
saw something you know uh strange in the

1063
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,599
sky and managed to film it and

1064
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:26,160
and the end result of that uh of that

1065
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,119
film and being

1066
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,720
you know being able to to get some

1067
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:30,240
stills out of it and blow those up was

1068
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,800
that it

1069
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,400
you know it was it was a large bird he

1070
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:34,079
was just mistaken

1071
00:40:41,470 --> 00:40:38,160
and so i don't know how many of the

1072
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,480
uh you know sort of water-based or or

1073
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:42,640
water-adjacent

1074
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,680
sightings that lack the paranormal

1075
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,480
aspects

1076
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,359
of of the other sightings are just

1077
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,720
misidentified birds

1078
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,160
you know because there there are some

1079
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,319
sightings where there's really nothing

1080
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,520
spectacular about them

1081
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,040
uh that's just you know somebody has

1082
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,319
seen something that they couldn't

1083
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,280
identify

1084
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:02,640
very quickly you know um and and so

1085
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,599
they don't have any of the the fear or

1086
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,400
uh

1087
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:09,119
associated paranormal phenomena or you

1088
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,240
know any of that

1089
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,240
uh associated with them to make me think

1090
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,240
that they're anything more special so

1091
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,440
it could be that some of them or that

1092
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,359
it appears though as though there's more

1093
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,560
sightings near water

1094
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:23,040
because some of them are you know these

1095
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,000
these uh

1096
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,400
uh you know herons and cranes and things

1097
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,599
that live

1098
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,800
by water but again like there is

1099
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,560
uh definitely a strong paranormal

1100
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,400
association with water

1101
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,800
and you know like if if you track ufo

1102
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,560
reports for instance like there's always

1103
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,520
a ton of them

1104
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,440
above water like the great lakes lake

1105
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,599
michigan you know i'm sure man welcome

1106
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,520
could talk all about that you know like

1107
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,200
there's there is what for whatever

1108
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:50,319
reason this strong association with this

1109
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,200
anomalous activity and and water sources

1110
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,839
you know i i think i think it's also

1111
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,760
important to note

1112
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:02,240
uh some of the witnesses that we have

1113
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:03,520
received

1114
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,280
reports from over the past four years

1115
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,240
uh we've had airline pilots we've had

1116
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,520
two of those

1117
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,720
we've had security people out o'hara one

1118
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,200
was with the tsa at least

1119
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:20,800
uh we had a well-decorated

1120
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:25,440
uh uh fire rescue

1121
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,839
captain who was uh who saw one in

1122
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:30,720
milwaukee

1123
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,079
we've had two local celebrities

1124
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,359
contact us well one was a

1125
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,760
local celebrity with the signing down in

1126
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,880
indiana

1127
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,760
and then we had deciding along the

1128
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:45,280
waterfront

1129
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:48,720
uh by a you know on the lakefront by a

1130
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,839
professional uh sports figure

1131
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,640
from washington dc area who was in

1132
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,359
chicago visiting his mother-in-law

1133
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,480
uh you know we're we are getting reports

1134
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,599
and also the police officers within

1135
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,520
chicago itself we've had several of

1136
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,800
those and we've dropped

1137
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,800
several of those well and there and some

1138
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,880
of them have gone on on the the record

1139
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,960
too like uh david ramos

1140
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,079
uh is an ex-police officer from chicago

1141
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,920
and and he's willing to go on the record

1142
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,280
he put himself out there

1143
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,040
yeah and was willing to talk about his

1144
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,119
his experience so there are people who

1145
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,400
feel strongly enough

1146
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,640
about their experience that you know

1147
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,920
they're they're willing to put

1148
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,040
themselves out there

1149
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,880
yeah i just don't think a lot of people

1150
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,240
realize the

1151
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,920
the range of people that have been

1152
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,760
making these reports

1153
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,680
uh even the woman who worked in the

1154
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:39,119
mayor's office

1155
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:42,880
uh in chicago she saw it

1156
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,240
uh as well and made the report um

1157
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,560
you know we have had quite a range of

1158
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,119
witnesses from all parts of the city

1159
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:53,839
all parts of the suburbs and you know

1160
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:54,240
and

1161
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,480
uh that's it's it's something that kind

1162
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,440
of makes me

1163
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,280
chuckle every time i hear people

1164
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,200
question it uh you know

1165
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,720
why are we getting all the reports well

1166
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,359
we're getting the reports because i

1167
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,880
wouldn't say we're soliciting the

1168
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,160
reports

1169
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,800
but when somebody goes on google and

1170
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:15,920
starts

1171
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,200
putting in wing humanoid or flying

1172
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,240
humanoid or flying man or bat

1173
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,079
we're going to come up right so uh

1174
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,160
that's why we get the reports well the

1175
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,920
other part of that too is like i'm sorry

1176
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,520
did i miss something is there somebody

1177
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,359
else like taking these seriously and

1178
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:35,200
helping people and really investigating

1179
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,760
them

1180
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,599
no you know what i mean like that's

1181
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,839
that's the other part of it

1182
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,760
of course we're getting them like we're

1183
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,720
we're the ones investigating him

1184
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,720
i mean it seems to any other people

1185
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:49,040
involved or those are trying to disprove

1186
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,839
it or are

1187
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:52,319
skeptics well the people who just lazily

1188
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:53,359
dismiss it yeah

1189
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,910
so what do you think uh manuel what do

1190
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,440
you got to say about that

1191
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:04,240
well i mean we put out put ourselves out

1192
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:04,960
there

1193
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,720
you know not only do we you know like

1194
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,240
ufo clearinghouse is currently having

1195
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,240
this summer push to try to get more

1196
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,280
sightings so

1197
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,359
i've been putting up little cards flyers

1198
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:17,040
i've been going to almost every group i

1199
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,079
am i'm on

1200
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,119
uh agnosium and facebook and

1201
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:23,599
read it and even on you know a few other

1202
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,160
places

1203
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,680
you know putting out the head we've seen

1204
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,359
something you know call

1205
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,200
tobias that's the same thing you do the

1206
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,520
same thing um

1207
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,920
we're not just you know sitting back

1208
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,760
kind of like you know

1209
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,920
other investigators you know just

1210
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,520
writing the coattails of others

1211
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,440
you know we're out there actually

1212
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,280
physically soliciting

1213
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,480
uh you know these things um

1214
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,920
when we were doing the investigations

1215
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,680
during the string of uh

1216
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,839
sightings during the little village i

1217
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,000
was giving people my information

1218
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,400
i was telling them i speak spanish i'm

1219
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,160
going to be here for you and one of

1220
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,520
these in fact they were

1221
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,680
oh you know they were afraid because a

1222
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,520
you know they don't they don't

1223
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,680
they have this thing about especially

1224
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,359
his banking if you talk about it you'll

1225
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,119
re-summon it or it'll hear them

1226
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,160
they'll hear and it'll come back

1227
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,079
or they were afraid that you know

1228
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,359
someone was going to take this and

1229
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,280
report this to the authorities

1230
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:20,319
you know and i'm like i'm not going i'm

1231
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,640
not

1232
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,560
here to do that i'm here to investigate

1233
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,480
something if you know

1234
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,119
something you know feel free i'll i will

1235
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,680
keep your you know your identity to my

1236
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,400
you know anonymous um and that's another

1237
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:34,000
thing that skeptics have really just

1238
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,880
jumped on oh

1239
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,640
you know release information i'm not

1240
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,040
going to release the information

1241
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,160
of somebody who's asked me to uh you

1242
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,000
know to remain anonymous you know these

1243
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,599
people have families they have

1244
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,560
you know jobs uh the last thing they

1245
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,000
need to do is somebody to

1246
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,480
release this information and say hey you

1247
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,920
know joe blow from

1248
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,680
so and so address this isn't the police

1249
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:57,920
blogger i'm here to investigate

1250
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,160
you know um and what's funny about it is

1251
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,000
to protract the detractors who are

1252
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:05,599
screaming about we don't release

1253
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:06,240
information

1254
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,800
i don't see mufon doing the same thing

1255
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,319
won't even give you the results of their

1256
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,400
investigation no i will not

1257
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:19,359
share anything so why are you coming at

1258
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,160
me that's the

1259
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,359
kind of kettle black right we do it

1260
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,000
because we're protecting our uh

1261
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,200
the witnesses i'm not but i'm not also

1262
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,680
um i don't see mufon doing the same

1263
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,319
thing so

1264
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,520
you know why should you be

1265
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:38,319
um citing that oh you know well they're

1266
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:38,640
not

1267
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:43,440
when they're the initial sightings

1268
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:44,240
happen

1269
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:48,079
rosemont with the

1270
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,559
uh the rideshare yeah he had

1271
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,640
he couldn't get anything done with mufon

1272
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,240
because mufon was like oh we want all

1273
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,599
this information we want

1274
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,760
you to go on on the record on camera

1275
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:01,440
with all your information

1276
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,640
and the general was like you know we all

1277
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,480
talk amongst each other i'm not putting

1278
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,079
myself out there

1279
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,040
um you know because well that's how we

1280
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:13,839
got him because he contacted us then

1281
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,680
right i remember that i mean and he was

1282
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,119
he was pissed

1283
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,160
i mean he was real that letter he sent

1284
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,359
us he was really upset with the way he

1285
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,200
was treated by mufon

1286
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,319
right well uh

1287
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,880
billy out and cicero was the same way he

1288
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,319
was upset

1289
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:37,359
so uh you know i don't know it's

1290
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,480
understandable

1291
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,640
and we're not unreasonable people you

1292
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,160
know like i i have

1293
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,880
on behalf of interested parties reached

1294
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,800
out to witnesses and asked them if

1295
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,000
they'd be willing to

1296
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,599
to speak to other people you know um and

1297
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,960
sometimes they're willing to and

1298
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,800
sometimes they're not a lot of the time

1299
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,240
people just want to put this behind

1300
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,160
them right well let me ask you this

1301
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,280
uh let's get into a few specific cases

1302
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,359
uh first of all you know now the other

1303
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,520
night uh

1304
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,720
tobias and i were on with joe matato

1305
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:13,839
and um we were talking about

1306
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:17,359
a few few cases and such but

1307
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,599
we mentioned uh emmanuel's

1308
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,760
what he saw out at o'hara so why don't

1309
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:24,800
you explain that

1310
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:28,720
manuel well

1311
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,319
i was on my way into work uh

1312
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:35,680
i was on on mannheim road

1313
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,000
which is a uh very large road that takes

1314
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:41,839
it skirts the entire

1315
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,359
length of o'hare um

1316
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,280
and i was coming up to an intersection

1317
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,960
it's actually the first intersection as

1318
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,880
you come off because there's no

1319
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,400
stop lights as you skirt around the

1320
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,559
entire length of the hair

1321
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:56,319
so this is the first light and i'm on

1322
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,760
the phone with my wife we're just

1323
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,960
discussing

1324
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,040
you know the day ahead and what we have

1325
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,280
to do and some other stuff

1326
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,800
and when you get to the light there's a

1327
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,200
uh

1328
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,319
at this intersection um

1329
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,640
there used to be like just vacant lots

1330
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,599
there's a vacant lot

1331
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:16,240
on your left-hand side but across the

1332
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,119
street there

1333
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,640
used to be an old uh enterprise facility

1334
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,240
where the enterprise rent a car they

1335
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,920
moved that now to the other side of the

1336
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,119
airport

1337
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,359
and on the other side on the right side

1338
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:30,160
now is um

1339
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,440
in front of me would have been office

1340
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,880
buildings and across the street they

1341
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:34,400
built a new uh

1342
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,920
uh parking garage for the airport and uh

1343
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:38,800
it's another

1344
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,240
new uh hub where the monorail comes in

1345
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,680
so i'm sitting there talking and i see

1346
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,640
something

1347
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:49,280
catches my movement catches my eye and i

1348
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:50,079
look up and

1349
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:53,359
where the enterprise building was

1350
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,000
something was

1351
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:57,520
landing on top of it and i'm telling my

1352
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:58,079
wife hey

1353
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,599
man something's landing the you know

1354
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,280
look at this she's joking around oh it's

1355
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:02,640
probably mothman

1356
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,680
um you know she's my wife has been

1357
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,200
they're with me every step of the way

1358
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,640
and she's had to listen to me and talk

1359
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,160
about it ad nauseam

1360
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,280
um so sometimes she'll joke about it

1361
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,319
but i wish the thing was

1362
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,559
at first maybe it's just a goose because

1363
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,920
this is about the time the keys were

1364
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:23,359
starting to show up

1365
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,119
um and i'm like no this does not look

1366
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:29,280
like a goose it's much larger

1367
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,440
than a goose and it also looks like

1368
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,559
how can i describe it um the way i

1369
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,400
describe it to you guys is uh

1370
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,240
if you ever play d and d or dungeons and

1371
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:41,920
dragons you know they have a picture of

1372
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,160
an

1373
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,960
imp it looks like a little like a little

1374
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,680
demon

1375
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,559
you know with uh these bat like wings

1376
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,359
and uh

1377
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,359
it has like the leathery skin well this

1378
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,040
is what it looked like except much

1379
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:54,800
larger i didn't get to see really the

1380
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,200
head

1381
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,200
i got to see the chest and the wings as

1382
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:58,559
it was coming in

1383
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,240
and then it flew behind the building uh

1384
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,400
and it's one of those buildings that uh

1385
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,000
i later found that has the

1386
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,920
roof but the roof kind of is kind of

1387
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,640
sunken in so there's like a little

1388
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,880
the wall itself kind of forms a barrier

1389
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,720
all the way around there's a lip

1390
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,599
at the building so anything that lands

1391
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,520
on it would probably be sitting

1392
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,400
two feet lower than it's not flush with

1393
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:23,760
the roof

1394
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,599
um so i immediately

1395
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760
turned around i couldn't i was in the

1396
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,440
middle of a four-lane highway so i

1397
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,640
couldn't just like

1398
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,200
u-turn because i don't didn't want to

1399
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
get into an action they want to get

1400
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,160
pulled over by the police

1401
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,839
um but i went around got there's a hotel

1402
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:43,280
right down the street i turned around

1403
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,599
came

1404
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,440
right back in i started just circling

1405
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,440
the area um

1406
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,400
able to drive up onto the property um

1407
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:51,680
it's now used by

1408
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,559
o'hare to store like compressors and

1409
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:56,160
generators and stuff like that that they

1410
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:56,960
have

1411
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,559
um took a bunch of pictures uh and i was

1412
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,920
actually i believe i was on the phone

1413
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,240
with you guys or i was texting it to you

1414
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,079
guys since this was happening

1415
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:09,119
um but i wasn't able to see anything

1416
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,000
else but

1417
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,839
i decided to get out of there because

1418
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:13,040
the last thing i needed to do was

1419
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,160
security come by

1420
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,559
and see me there and ask if i was

1421
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,319
authorized to be in that area

1422
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,000
uh because i was actually in the

1423
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:21,440
property itself

1424
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,880
um but it looked literally just

1425
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,599
like a winged it was a winged creature

1426
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,040
but

1427
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,599
the head was not i didn't really see the

1428
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,720
head

1429
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,760
so it just i saw the chest

1430
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,760
and when it was coming in it kind of had

1431
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,400
its its wings were up

1432
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,760
and flapping but they were kind of art

1433
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,079
up kind of like a when you see a bird as

1434
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,359
it's landing

1435
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,040
they kind of have their chest puffed up

1436
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,640
a little bit and their wings are kind of

1437
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,240
arched because they're kind of

1438
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,720
flaring before they hit the ground this

1439
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:55,839
is what it looked like

1440
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:59,040
except there was no feathers it was a

1441
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,359
lot

1442
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,400
else i'd say about twice

1443
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,160
maybe three times the size of a canadian

1444
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:06,400
goose and they're pretty big

1445
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:10,319
um and it was

1446
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:14,800
it just it was the wings were leathery

1447
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,319
and almost kind of segmented uh that's

1448
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,280
why i said when i

1449
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,040
i showed you the picture of the of the

1450
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:23,920
imp you know it has that segmented wing

1451
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,950
uh

1452
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,430
tabas why don't you tell us which one of

1453
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,680
these cases

1454
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,799
are two or your favorites

1455
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:41,920
oh boy so you know picking out of the

1456
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,760
the entire pantheon of of cases here

1457
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,960
um well probably

1458
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,119
if i had to pick you know two

1459
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,400
specifically

1460
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,680
um i guess i would go with the two that

1461
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:56,960
emily and i

1462
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,079
really were able to to dig into the best

1463
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:03,200
i felt so uh the the mid

1464
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:07,440
april 2017 mukwonago wisconsin case

1465
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,040
and then uh the sightings in woodstock

1466
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,040
and what i liked about both of those i

1467
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,680
mean i can go through both kind of

1468
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,559
uh individually but i mean really like

1469
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,079
what what they had in common for me was

1470
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,839
our ability to meet with the witnesses

1471
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,119
meet on site

1472
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,200
uh you know be shown the the sighting

1473
00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:26,640
areas and uh

1474
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,319
and really dig into them so mid-april

1475
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,720
2017

1476
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,680
uh there was a sighting in uh mukwonago

1477
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,880
wisconsin so

1478
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,240
you know anybody who's not familiar with

1479
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,319
that it's about 45 minutes outside of

1480
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,520
milwaukee

1481
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,440
and uh you know if if you're not

1482
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,119
familiar with wisconsin

1483
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:46,000
you know basically you know we have two

1484
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,960
major cities

1485
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,799
uh three if you want to count green bay

1486
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,240
i personally don't

1487
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
and um it doesn't take too

1488
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,079
far uh when you're outside of those

1489
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,799
cities before you're in very rural areas

1490
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:00,720
like you leave madison where where

1491
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,400
uh em and i live and um you know it's

1492
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:07,680
farmland in rural country like instantly

1493
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,880
and so despite being only 45 minutes

1494
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,599
outside of

1495
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,839
milwaukee like mukwonago's it's a very

1496
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,880
rural area

1497
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:17,359
and uh this gentleman was was coming

1498
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,000
home one

1499
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,760
one evening and at the time he was

1500
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,119
living with his parents and

1501
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,880
as he's driving home he's talking on the

1502
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,319
phone with his friend and

1503
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,480
he pulls into their their driveway which

1504
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,520
is kind of a longer

1505
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,280
uh gravel driveway and then at the end

1506
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,640
it's got sort of a

1507
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,640
a small parking lot almost where you

1508
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,559
could fit four or five cars

1509
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,880
and he he backs his his van in like he

1510
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,480
always does and since he was talking on

1511
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,520
the phone with his friend

1512
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:41,119
he didn't want to go inside right away

1513
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,319
like you know he doesn't want to wake

1514
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,160
his parents up or whatever because

1515
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,000
you know if he just barges in talking on

1516
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:48,079
the phone that that would be disruptive

1517
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,799
and so

1518
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:51,359
he's outside finishing his conversation

1519
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:52,480
when

1520
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:55,760
he notices in the ambient light

1521
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,880
of this lamppost that they have at the

1522
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,720
end of their driveway it's about 50 feet

1523
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,400
away i actually measured it when we were

1524
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,359
out there

1525
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:06,240
like there's no street lights or

1526
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,200
anything

1527
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:09,200
um you know there's barely any other

1528
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,319
houses frankly

1529
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,520
uh and uh and so about 50 feet away you

1530
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,599
have this lamppost and and it's lit up

1531
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,880
because it's nighttime

1532
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,359
and in the ambient light from that he

1533
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,680
can kind of see the outline

1534
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,720
of what looked like a huge person in

1535
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,119
front of his van all of a sudden

1536
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,599
and you know uh he turns the headlights

1537
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,799
on because

1538
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,480
at that point he doesn't know that it's

1539
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,880
anything unusual necessarily

1540
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:37,040
and you know to to get a better look at

1541
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,319
him and

1542
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:41,680
what he described was this

1543
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:44,720
huge like eight foot tall

1544
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,400
sort of like um uh uh snake skinned or

1545
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,319
like reptilian skinned

1546
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,720
being with these membranous wings and it

1547
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,480
sort of had its wings wrapped around

1548
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,680
itself

1549
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,680
uh like if you know if you picture a a

1550
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:59,280
bat hanging upside down how they wrap

1551
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,839
their

1552
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,839
wings around themselves those but it was

1553
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,599
standing there in front of him you know

1554
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:04,319
maybe

1555
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:08,559
and uh

1556
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,079
you know as this is happening he

1557
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,319
is at a loss for words frankly for

1558
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,760
several seconds and then he starts

1559
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:17,119
telling his friend about what he's

1560
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,000
seeing

1561
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,960
and as he's doing that then this thing

1562
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:22,960
he described it as it it's sort of

1563
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,160
blurring and then disappears

1564
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,880
so you know he wasn't sure if that meant

1565
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,319
uh after we talked about it because you

1566
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,319
know again emily and i went out there

1567
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:34,079
and and talked to this guy and he showed

1568
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,359
us where everything went down

1569
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,160
and he wasn't sure if that meant that it

1570
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,680
had sort of like shot up in the air

1571
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,599
and just moved so quickly that you know

1572
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,000
he his eye couldn't track it

1573
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,160
or if it literally just somehow

1574
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,680
disappeared you know

1575
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,920
whether like whatever that means you

1576
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:50,799
know

1577
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,079
um and what really struck me about this

1578
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,520
case is when we were out there talking

1579
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,119
this guy

1580
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,799
we went out there and it was you know

1581
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,440
late morning on a beautiful day

1582
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,319
uh you know beautiful sunny day and uh

1583
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:06,079
and and this guy

1584
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,839
you know he was terrified he was

1585
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,000
sweating bullets telling telling this

1586
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:14,400
story like visibly afraid

1587
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,920
uh because of this experience you know

1588
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,119
and um

1589
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,040
it's difficult to convey that to people

1590
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:22,400
i know you guys know what i'm talking

1591
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,280
about

1592
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,599
but you know when uh when when you try

1593
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,960
to relate that

1594
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,760
to you know people who who only know

1595
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,040
these sightings through

1596
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,119
maybe like the reports we've written you

1597
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,640
know uh

1598
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,839
it's you can't express in words uh what

1599
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,920
that kind of fear looks like on

1600
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,359
somebody's face and

1601
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,319
and how it affects them so uh you know

1602
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,160
that one really stuck with me and then

1603
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,839
of course you know everything that that

1604
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:49,599
that happened in in woodstock

1605
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,799
in 2019 um

1606
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,799
that was a fascinating case as well you

1607
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,000
know we had a

1608
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,680
a gentleman who uh sort of

1609
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,599
traditional to the the narrative of

1610
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,760
these sightings was

1611
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,000
going out to run a mundane air like uh

1612
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,839
errant he had to go to walgreens

1613
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,599
you know just a simple trip to the the

1614
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,839
drugstore and on his way home

1615
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,400
you know it's uh it was what just after

1616
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,480
uh eight o'clock i think which is

1617
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:18,799
since this happened in february was you

1618
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:19,520
know well

1619
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,720
late enough for it it to be dark outside

1620
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,359
and uh as he's driving past the the

1621
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,319
dewfield pond conservation area

1622
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:31,920
this thing steps out in in front of his

1623
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,319
car

1624
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,000
and he catches it in his headlight so

1625
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:35,680
he's able to see it as it crosses the

1626
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,319
street

1627
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,079
said it you know it only took what two

1628
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,760
or three steps to cross the street and

1629
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,880
then it was gone

1630
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,760
but he described it as this uh you know

1631
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:45,680
seven or eight foot tall

1632
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:48,880
hairy humanoid but with

1633
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,400
uh these membranous like gargoyle wings

1634
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,960
so you know like a bat winged bigfoot i

1635
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,319
guess

1636
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:59,119
and um and and it walked across the

1637
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,680
street

1638
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:02,319
and went between this house and this and

1639
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,119
this uh

1640
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,799
line of like you know decorative line of

1641
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,920
trees and then it was gone

1642
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:10,160
and this was another one where you know

1643
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,520
emily and i went down there

1644
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:14,079
and and we met this guy we met his wife

1645
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,799
you know we

1646
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,640
we saw their house they took us out to

1647
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,559
the area of the sighting

1648
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,359
and walked us around and uh and and

1649
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:23,040
showed us where everything happened

1650
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,760
and um i i just can't for the life of me

1651
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,960
think of why they would have or you know

1652
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:31,680
why

1653
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,359
and and

1654
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,359
it it just doesn't make sense you know

1655
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:38,480
like it

1656
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,160
it is so credible for me

1657
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,880
to go out there and meet people like

1658
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,319
these who

1659
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:49,359
clearly have experienced something

1660
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,480
outside of their normal reality

1661
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,160
you know and when they welcome me into

1662
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,680
their house they're not asking for

1663
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,559
anything

1664
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,160
you know like they don't they're not

1665
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,000
interested in attention

1666
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,319
um you know they don't want fame or

1667
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,039
fortune or anything else like literally

1668
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,480
they're just trying to make sense of

1669
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,960
these seemingly impossible experiences

1670
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,400
and um that stuck with me like those two

1671
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,160
cases specifically like i've talked to

1672
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,760
plenty of other witnesses and

1673
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,160
been on site you know uh other places

1674
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:20,720
but those specifically because of

1675
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,240
how close they were and the detail they

1676
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,319
got in their sightings and the effect

1677
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,480
that their sightings had on them

1678
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,480
and then honestly like when it comes to

1679
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:31,599
woodstock

1680
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:34,240
the associated phenomena that happened

1681
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:36,079
after like we had other sightings there

1682
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,640
was the

1683
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,760
the the sighting that happened in the uh

1684
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:41,839
the the parking lot

1685
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,880
so basically after the the

1686
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,559
original witness had his sighting like

1687
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,160
the direction that he saw the the

1688
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:49,359
creature going in

1689
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:53,280
actually led uh past this house into the

1690
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,359
uh mchenry county uh fairground

1691
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,280
and so it wasn't too long after his

1692
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,280
sighting that we received another report

1693
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:03,359
from a gentleman who said that he had

1694
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,160
seen this creature

1695
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,920
in the fairground and that it had

1696
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,599
charged the fence while he was standing

1697
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:09,599
in this parking lot and

1698
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:12,960
uh he said that he had had called 9-1-1

1699
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,160
and uh and and and uh you know got the

1700
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,160
the police involved so naturally of

1701
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,880
course i filed the foia requests i'm

1702
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,480
like all right well that would be great

1703
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,640
if this really happened so let's see

1704
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,200
and sure enough the mchenry county

1705
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,880
sheriff's department by the way is one

1706
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:29,760
of the most

1707
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:32,880
helpful uh law enforcement

1708
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,359
uh offices anywhere that i've ever dealt

1709
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,960
with because they got back to me in like

1710
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,400
two or three days

1711
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,720
and they said yeah hey you know we

1712
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,440
didn't

1713
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,440
have an official report file like no

1714
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:44,960
crime was committed

1715
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,720
but here's the incident detail report

1716
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,280
showing that this guy saw this thing and

1717
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,680
it scared him enough to call 9-1-1

1718
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:55,599
so like we have that we have this

1719
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:56,960
tangible piece of evidence

1720
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,760
this official record that you know

1721
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:04,400
during these sightings and with in in in

1722
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,200
woodstock

1723
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,280
yeah this guy who said that he was

1724
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,720
scared enough to call 911

1725
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,880
absolutely did and then you've got other

1726
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,000
reports coming in from

1727
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:14,160
from that area too that weren't able to

1728
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,119
be as

1729
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:18,319
uh as uh investigated uh

1730
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,680
in depth but you know it it it adds

1731
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:24,319
to the the overall i think credibility

1732
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,200
to know

1733
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,640
that that there are other people who um

1734
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,480
who are also experiencing something

1735
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:31,920
weird so

1736
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:35,440
um yeah i mean uh mukwonago was great

1737
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:35,760
but

1738
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:40,799
really something else

1739
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:44,880
yeah i kind of i kind of favored the

1740
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,319
the close and personal ones um

1741
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:50,880
and there were there were a few of those

1742
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:53,680
but the ones i

1743
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,079
i thought were very interesting well

1744
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:58,480
first of all was the one

1745
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:01,839
in uh along lakeshore drive and

1746
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:04,880
uh this is the one where the couple

1747
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,720
were from washington dc and the uh

1748
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,960
the gentleman was he's an actual

1749
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:12,480
professional

1750
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:15,760
uh athlete and

1751
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,670
visiting her her condominium and they

1752
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,680
were actually walking

1753
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,839
in front of the condominium on lake

1754
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,799
shore drive

1755
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:31,119
on their way back it was about nine

1756
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:32,160
little after nine

1757
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:35,680
evenings so it was dark and uh

1758
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:39,520
as they were walking south

1759
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:43,680
this being flew right in front of them

1760
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,200
up over the trees and up the building

1761
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,280
along the face of the building and they

1762
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,880
watched this thing

1763
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,000
and it literally stopped

1764
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,200
hovered in midair and

1765
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,039
was like it was looking through a window

1766
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:01,839
on one of the top floors

1767
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,799
and then it arched back and started

1768
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,359
diving back towards the trees

1769
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,200
and when it did that they started

1770
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,960
running they were they were scared to

1771
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:12,400
death they didn't know what this thing

1772
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,200
was

1773
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,280
and they were heading back towards the

1774
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:17,520
door and i'm trying to think with the

1775
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,960
i think i'm sure avenue and they were

1776
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:22,480
heading towards the door

1777
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,680
to the condo and this thing literally

1778
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,000
ascended in front of them

1779
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,359
and and was actually hovering in midair

1780
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:34,160
about two to three foot off the payment

1781
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,920
with its wings spread out and

1782
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,440
right in front of them and they

1783
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,440
described it very similar to what

1784
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:43,520
everybody else has been saying

1785
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,200
very thin dark body

1786
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,319
with uh that kind of looked like it had

1787
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:52,640
a wet look to it

1788
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:55,680
uh and you know we've had those tar

1789
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,559
those tar bodies reported to us also

1790
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,880
rockford yeah both of those 2010

1791
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:03,599
sightings

1792
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,200
and uh the wings were uh were bat like

1793
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,200
but the membrane wings would just spread

1794
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,119
out it but how it was hovering

1795
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:14,720
who knows it was vibrating and in fact

1796
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:15,039
they

1797
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,079
felt the vibration coming off this thing

1798
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,359
and the legs and the feet

1799
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:24,079
which they you know apparently it was

1800
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,200
quite small

1801
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,760
the feet but it was they were vibrating

1802
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,359
they were shaking

1803
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:32,000
i had a very small head with two large

1804
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:33,599
eyes

1805
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,480
right in front of them and hover for

1806
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,720
about 10 to 15 seconds

1807
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,720
she lost control of her legs and went

1808
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:44,720
down to the payment

1809
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,599
now there were other people around uh

1810
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:49,680
because they they did notice

1811
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,720
a flash from a phone go off so somebody

1812
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,240
tried to take a photo of it

1813
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,960
as well there was somebody maybe a

1814
01:08:02,630 --> 01:07:59,280
delivery guy i don't know but he was

1815
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,640
had his van there and he

1816
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,799
said something and he jumped in his van

1817
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,920
and took off

1818
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,760
but there were also other people

1819
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:09,760
mentioning it saying things

1820
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,799
across the street so

1821
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,720
when this you know when she fell to the

1822
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,319
ground this thing

1823
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:19,920
started to ascend very slowly

1824
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,120
up into the air and uh

1825
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,080
that's the last i saw of it and he her

1826
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:27,839
husband literally pick her up and carry

1827
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,480
her into

1828
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,839
the mother's condo they called me the

1829
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:33,440
next morning now they were supposed to

1830
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,000
leave

1831
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,600
out of chicago that day

1832
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,159
but she couldn't she was afraid to fly

1833
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,839
and in fact they stuck around for

1834
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,679
another two days

1835
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:46,159
but uh man they were they were shook

1836
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:46,880
that was

1837
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,679
uh uh incident for them

1838
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,040
and the other one was in bolenbrook

1839
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,480
illinois which is a suburb south west of

1840
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:02,319
the city

1841
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,159
um this woman she had a nightly

1842
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:09,839
routine of going out and walking about

1843
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,719
10 o'clock at night

1844
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,120
safe neighborhood nice neighborhood nice

1845
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,040
town

1846
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,159
but her complex where she lived at uh

1847
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,000
there was a small

1848
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,759
playground there and she usually cut

1849
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:25,040
through the playground

1850
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,400
backed around and walked on home

1851
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,159
well as she was going through the

1852
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:32,319
playground she she was on the payment

1853
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,080
and she saw something tall standing

1854
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:38,480
there which she thought originally

1855
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:45,110
and when she got within she said 15 foot

1856
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:45,920
of it

1857
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:49,279
this thing turned a quarter turn

1858
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,600
and was very wide but the wings

1859
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,520
they did look membrane but they were

1860
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,520
wrapped around the body

1861
01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:00,159
and she said this thing was tall i mean

1862
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:00,640
it was

1863
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,320
gurgling sound

1864
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,320
i think it was sleeping be honest with

1865
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,719
you but it was standing there

1866
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,280
uh you know but she never saw any eyes

1867
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:18,880
or any of the facial features

1868
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:21,280
because this thing had the wigs wrapped

1869
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,320
around it

1870
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:25,600
well she she of course was freaked out

1871
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,719
and she tried to walk away from it

1872
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,840
and her legs gave out on her

1873
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,080
and her legs were very weak and she had

1874
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,960
that to

1875
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,679
find the nearest bench and sit down and

1876
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:39,920
regain her composure

1877
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:43,199
at the same time watching this thing

1878
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,640
you know that she had just passed uh she

1879
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:48,239
said about five minutes she

1880
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,520
she got enough strength to get up and

1881
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,080
go around the playground to her home so

1882
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:56,159
when she got home

1883
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,840
the uh she told her son he wanted to see

1884
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:01,840
it they got in the car

1885
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:05,360
and they drove a couple blocks back to

1886
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:05,760
the

1887
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:10,960
playground this thing

1888
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:14,480
lunged out out of the bush he got a he

1889
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,760
got a brief look at it but he did see it

1890
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,159
so uh yeah and that was close and

1891
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,840
personal when they got back home they

1892
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,280
called me

1893
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,880
and i mean she was fit to be tied i i

1894
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,400
i had problems even getting any

1895
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:30,640
information out of her first

1896
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,360
so um you know those were two very close

1897
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:36,480
encounters

1898
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:40,000
uh i think probably the most frightening

1899
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,840
one and you're familiar with this one

1900
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,800
as much as i am uh tobias was floyd

1901
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,400
hancock

1902
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,239
yeah why don't you talk about that

1903
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:51,600
that's study

1904
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,920
sure i mean that was uh well until

1905
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,920
recently that was actually the earliest

1906
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:58,640
uh sighting chronologically that that we

1907
01:12:02,229 --> 01:11:59,120
had

1908
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:02,239
um so that was what october

1909
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,000
27 1969 and uh so you've got this

1910
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,199
this guy floyd hancock who again is is

1911
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,280
one of those people who was willing to

1912
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,719
to put himself out there you know

1913
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,600
willing to go

1914
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,040
on the record about his experience

1915
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,640
and um all the way back in in 69 less

1916
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,239
than two years after

1917
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,280
the supposed end of the point pleasant

1918
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:26,640
sightings you've got a guy

1919
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:29,840
in indiana here uh

1920
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:33,760
prairie rolling prairie yep in indiana

1921
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:37,199
who uh was asleep in his family's

1922
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,080
trailer

1923
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,120
uh you know so he's he's a a child

1924
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,360
obviously and uh he's asleep in his

1925
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,600
trailer he shares a room with his his

1926
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,280
baby sister

1927
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:49,760
and recently the family had had some

1928
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,320
damage

1929
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,239
to their trailer so you know they have a

1930
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:54,960
hole in the ceiling of the

1931
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:58,320
the uh uh living room in the the roof of

1932
01:13:03,030 --> 01:12:59,520
their their living room

1933
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:03,040
and so they've got a tarp over it and uh

1934
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,320
he wakes up one

1935
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,600
one night and uh he said he you know he

1936
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:08,880
was awakened by a

1937
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,679
strange noise and this you know

1938
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:12,719
disgusting

1939
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,040
smell basically and uh he wakes up

1940
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,040
and he looks over towards his sister's

1941
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:20,960
crib and he sees this

1942
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,320
uh winged humanoid staring down at her

1943
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,320
you know interested in his his sister

1944
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,520
seemingly

1945
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,360
and you know he described this thing as

1946
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,120
being very tall you know between seven

1947
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,719
and eight feet in height which is pretty

1948
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,880
consistent with most reports

1949
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,400
and uh he's you know he said you know it

1950
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:38,159
was tall enough that its posture was

1951
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:38,880
crouched

1952
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,159
you know and and uh which it makes sense

1953
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,239
if if it was that if you know if it was

1954
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,400
that tall in this trailer and it had

1955
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:47,920
these huge

1956
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:50,560
leathery wings uh that were similar to

1957
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:51,600
either a bat

1958
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,640
or a gargoyle again which are words that

1959
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,360
people use

1960
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,360
you know pretty pretty commonly to

1961
01:14:03,189 --> 01:13:59,600
describe these these things wings

1962
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,199
and so um he sees this thing

1963
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,800
and uh it's it's been uh

1964
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,880
he described it as being almost skeletal

1965
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,239
really with the

1966
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,880
sharp teeth and dark eyes and it makes

1967
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:13,520
this

1968
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:16,719
weird garbled sound and

1969
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:19,120
he screams you know he's a kid of course

1970
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,320
he screams

1971
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,719
um he's trying to get his his parents

1972
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:23,679
attention

1973
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,880
and they don't respond his grandmother

1974
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,400
though who's living with him

1975
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,320
like she comes in you know she hears

1976
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,560
them she runs in and she sees this thing

1977
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:34,400
and just immediately falls to her knees

1978
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:35,600
like she's overcome

1979
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,120
by this this experience and uh

1980
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,679
so he's screaming and this creature

1981
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,199
loses interest in his

1982
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,600
his baby sister and comes over to floyd

1983
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,880
picks him up

1984
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,120
goes into the living room climbs out

1985
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,800
through this hole which seems to

1986
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:51,920
obviously be where

1987
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,840
it it came in like that's how it gained

1988
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,000
access

1989
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,920
and uh and takes off and all floyd

1990
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,280
really remembers then

1991
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:01,679
is being very cold and wet uh hearing

1992
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:02,640
his his

1993
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,360
grandmother screaming as uh as this

1994
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,040
thing takes off with him

1995
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,880
and then and then that's it you know

1996
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,920
like he blacks out passes out whatever

1997
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,400
and he has no idea how long he was gone

1998
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:16,080
but he only remembers and after that

1999
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,440
waking up in his bed

2000
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,600
with his panicked parents and his his

2001
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:21,120
grandmother there

2002
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,360
and um you know uh his parents

2003
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,920
thought that they had been you know sort

2004
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,239
of stunned somehow like put into this

2005
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,560
this uh hypnotic state and you know of

2006
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,920
course they didn't call the police or

2007
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,760
anything because

2008
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,600
there are a couple issues here really i

2009
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,880
mean one

2010
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,960
what are you gonna tell the the police

2011
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,640
you know like floyd's back

2012
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,520
right so he's he's not kidnapped he was

2013
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:46,320
brought back

2014
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,679
by this thing and uh well i i forgot to

2015
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,280
mention that so uh

2016
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:53,679
he comes to find out later from his his

2017
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,560
grandmother that

2018
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,560
there was a thump on the roof and his

2019
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:58,320
dad goes up there and finds him and

2020
01:16:03,669 --> 01:15:59,360
that's

2021
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:03,679
they found him and got him back but like

2022
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,800
yeah they don't call the police because

2023
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,000
what are they going to tell them you

2024
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,159
know like their their kid's home

2025
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,600
you know he's not kidnapped there is

2026
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:11,760
there's no crime to report

2027
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:14,960
um and uh you know even in 69

2028
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,400
people knew better uh than to to want to

2029
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,920
really put themselves on the line if

2030
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,000
they didn't have to about you know a

2031
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,560
story that would sound like that

2032
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,159
and you know beyond that you know they

2033
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:28,239
they lived in a trailer with a hole in

2034
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:28,960
the roof

2035
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:33,280
i mean there's probably an issue of uh

2036
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:36,719
uh poverty to be had you know where

2037
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,239
the police especially back then um

2038
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,560
they probably didn't trust the police uh

2039
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,239
you know there was no guarantee

2040
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:46,080
that the police were gonna treat them

2041
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,360
particularly well

2042
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,400
or or believe their story you know if if

2043
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,480
if they were scared enough to actually

2044
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,120
report a monster sighting you know

2045
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:58,000
so but uh again it's another one where

2046
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:58,880
uh

2047
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,239
we've got somebody who

2048
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,560
feels very strongly obviously about what

2049
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,679
happened to him

2050
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,679
and was willing to to put himself out

2051
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,159
there and you have to respect that

2052
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,440
and he's got nothing to gain and and

2053
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:15,679
and is the as is the case in a lot of

2054
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,800
these sightings

2055
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,400
you know he's really reached a certain

2056
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,000
age where i think

2057
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,199
that it's not important to him what

2058
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:25,040
people think about him anymore like i

2059
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,520
i i saw that with like david ramos i had

2060
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,679
another witness recently

2061
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,880
gerald therese where you just get to a

2062
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,880
certain age maybe you're retired

2063
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,719
uh you just don't care you know it's

2064
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:38,560
like look i know i know what happened to

2065
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,440
me

2066
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,440
and i don't have a career for anybody to

2067
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,120
ruin anymore

2068
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,880
you know i'm i'm older now it doesn't

2069
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,480
matter and so

2070
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,560
you know people people are are willing

2071
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,320
to to put themselves on

2072
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,320
on the line but yeah it's it's one of my

2073
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:53,679
favorites it's

2074
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:56,400
it's a good one so many aspects of that

2075
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:57,199
just

2076
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:01,199
screams abduction yeah a lot of so much

2077
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:01,679
stuff

2078
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,800
uh i can attest from my own experiences

2079
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:06,000
but

2080
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,280
so many things from that screen you know

2081
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,520
what an abduction scenario would be i

2082
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:12,880
know people

2083
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:15,679
getting immobilized people being moved

2084
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,560
people being

2085
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,920
um you know finding themselves

2086
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,159
waking up in strange places you know

2087
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:24,320
where they know they didn't go to sleep

2088
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:27,679
um you know this could have been

2089
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,199
an abduction and quite honestly you know

2090
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:33,120
how many reports have we gotten before

2091
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,560
where uh

2092
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:36,400
people have said that grays can

2093
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,080
shapeshift themselves

2094
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,800
um oh yeah but david's david tells me

2095
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,159
that all the time

2096
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,159
yeah i mean he believes that he believes

2097
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:47,040
that he's seen that he said

2098
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:49,840
i've heard so many stories i've had so

2099
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:50,560
many people

2100
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:53,040
who've had abduction experiences and

2101
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:54,080
said that

2102
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:55,600
growing up you know there used to be a

2103
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,719
dog that used to look in the window

2104
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,239
and they always thought it was a strange

2105
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,640
you know just a friendly dog you know

2106
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,960
turns out to be a gray that wasn't

2107
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:07,440
shape-shift itself

2108
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,480
um you know it's just

2109
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,800
so many different scenarios and that

2110
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,480
kind of ties in with

2111
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,640
how do we not know it's extraterrestrial

2112
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,239
it could be ultra-terrestrial

2113
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,600
so well i i tell you uh

2114
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,760
i don't know if i've told you guys this

2115
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,199
before

2116
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,719
uh but david eckhart has told me on

2117
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,520
numerous occasions he believes these

2118
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:33,760
winged beings in chicago are

2119
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,400
extraterrestrial at some point of some

2120
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:37,760
type

2121
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:42,800
he really does um he doesn't know

2122
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,000
what they're possibly related to

2123
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,080
where they'd come from where they are in

2124
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,360
the hierarchy um

2125
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:53,040
you know if they're cooperative with

2126
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,560
other beings

2127
01:20:02,830 --> 01:19:58,000
but he does he really believes that

2128
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:03,990
non-terrestrial

2129
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,120
some type of uh

2130
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:09,440
extraterrestrial biological entity of

2131
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,320
some type

2132
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,560
he's not sure but he he has a strong

2133
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,920
feeling about it

2134
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,920
we'll be the first time that we've had

2135
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,520
uh reports of

2136
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:20,400
entities that have uh wings in fact uh

2137
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,600
on draconian

2138
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:24,000
if you follow a lot of the you know this

2139
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,040
different species

2140
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:28,000
you know supposedly reptilians have a

2141
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,280
hierarchy

2142
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,760
amongst themselves and the higher ups

2143
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,199
the ones that are considered

2144
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,239
the royalty their nobility

2145
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,280
have wings uh they're

2146
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:41,760
called quote-unquote draconian yeah the

2147
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:42,560
drax

2148
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,159
yeah yeah but i mean so many

2149
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,320
different things i mean there's there's

2150
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,639
so many uh

2151
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,159
different scenarios that could play

2152
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:53,840
themselves out i mean this thing could

2153
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,880
be

2154
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,239
something that was you know ultra

2155
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:58,560
terrestrial it was here

2156
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,239
way before us um it could be

2157
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:05,040
oh you know interdimensional um

2158
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,000
especially

2159
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:08,159
i and i point a lot to it with the

2160
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,199
rosemont uh

2161
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:12,400
sighting that we took um

2162
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:15,840
she saw blue light yeah a lot of uh

2163
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,639
sightings um where people have said

2164
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,000
these things have like

2165
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:22,320
warped into the room or warped in out of

2166
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,040
the out

2167
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,719
they've always seen blue lights yeah

2168
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:26,480
that's what that's what david told me

2169
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:27,600
when i talked to him

2170
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,639
and you know since we had an alien

2171
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:33,280
possibly on involvement i asked him

2172
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:33,920
about it

2173
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,080
and when i told him it you know it

2174
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:37,840
flashed with a blue light

2175
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:40,960
he told me that every portal and every

2176
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,080
transport that he has seen

2177
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,360
that have been shown to him always are

2178
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,040
associated with a blue light of some

2179
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,120
type

2180
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,320
so uh i mean is is that related it's i i

2181
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:57,040
suppose it's possible

2182
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:03,910
well guys anything else we need to cover

2183
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,320
on this

2184
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,199
[Laughter]

2185
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,840
what haven't we covered well i know

2186
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,199
there's a lot we haven't covered oh boy

2187
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,280
yeah i was going to say i want my guy

2188
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,880
we've written the whole books of stuff

2189
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:17,120
yeah

2190
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:24,400
it it's crazy i um you know it's funny

2191
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,800
when

2192
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:27,600
this this phenomena first started

2193
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,870
and i mentioned it to you guys but you

2194
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,679
know

2195
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,000
the first thing the media when they

2196
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,560
started hearing about it they started

2197
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,320
because i was calling it the chicago

2198
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,679
phantom and

2199
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,239
i remember that the mediums the media

2200
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,000
started monitoring it

2201
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,480
as the mothman the chicago mockman

2202
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,080
that's how that got started

2203
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,679
we didn't do that and uh

2204
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,199
you know that's what everybody was

2205
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,199
referring it to so of course

2206
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,199
when people in chicago started hearing

2207
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,600
about the mothman in chicago

2208
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,760
they started getting on google and

2209
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,040
figuring and you know

2210
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,600
trying to figure out what a mothman was

2211
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:10,719
and invariably

2212
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,239
they read about point pleasant and

2213
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:17,440
the harbinger doom thing and oh boy

2214
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:21,360
bridge and all that so i'll tell you

2215
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,239
in july in august 2017 in particular

2216
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,320
i was getting phone calls from just

2217
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:29,760
regular people

2218
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,800
in chicago enter in the barns

2219
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:35,760
who were deeply concerned that something

2220
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,679
was going to happen in chicago

2221
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,520
and i mean i was getting phone calls i

2222
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:41,760
had to cut my phone off at some point

2223
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:45,360
i was getting phone calls you know late

2224
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:46,159
at night

2225
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,159
24 7. and these weren't witnesses these

2226
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:51,360
were people who

2227
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:55,360
actually were fearful that something

2228
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,639
had come into our world to tell us that

2229
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,840
something major is going to happen in

2230
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:02,480
chicago

2231
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,000
and the fear was definitely there

2232
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,159
and of course while i'm trying to i'm

2233
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:10,239
trying to tamp this down and try to tell

2234
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,440
people you know

2235
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:13,600
i have no evidence that this is going to

2236
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:14,800
cause anything

2237
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:17,440
or to be you know resulted in anything

2238
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,000
you know

2239
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:19,600
we're just reporting what people are

2240
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,320
telling us well i read about the mothman

2241
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,000
and point pleasant what happened with

2242
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,159
the bridge and all that well

2243
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,480
you and i both do not buy into a

2244
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,719
harbinger theory anyway

2245
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:33,440
i definitely don't yeah yeah but so many

2246
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,000
things

2247
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,639
about this it doesn't take very much of

2248
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,679
a search to see

2249
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:39,840
that all the other sightings you know

2250
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:42,400
you had the blackbird chernobyl you had

2251
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,679
the fukushima reactor sighting you had

2252
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:48,159
uh the sighting in minnesota before the

2253
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,960
bridge collapse

2254
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,520
uh so many things that have been

2255
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,280
reported and put out there

2256
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,280
and people just start drawing their own

2257
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,199
conclusions i've had people

2258
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,679
you know ask you know you know is this a

2259
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,360
sign that the new magic plot is going to

2260
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,400
finally slip

2261
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,440
and we're going to get hit i was like

2262
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,199
i'm not a seismologist i'm not a

2263
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,679
geologist i would not know

2264
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,080
you know how this works i know that it's

2265
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,159
happened and it will happen again i mean

2266
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,639
for all i know i mean on mir i could

2267
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:18,080
come out of nowhere and hit us

2268
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:21,199
and yeah right yeah

2269
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,560
that doesn't mean that this is what's

2270
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:24,320
happening i mean

2271
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,679
what am i one of my theories is uh

2272
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,440
i don't know if you guys believe in the

2273
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:31,679
the

2274
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:38,560
thought is very strong and uh

2275
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:41,920
it's um chicago

2276
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:45,840
is a just a vast melting pot

2277
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:49,199
of so many people so many races so many

2278
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:53,120
you know different stories and it's been

2279
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,480
a mecca for just ultra

2280
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,080
violence i mean they didn't earn their

2281
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,440
the moniker iraq for no reason at all

2282
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:03,760
people are straight up having gun fights

2283
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,719
in the street

2284
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:08,080
uh funny story i read this morning

2285
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:09,040
they're talking about oh

2286
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,080
they're gonna bring in the national

2287
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,520
guard full time's like yeah it's great

2288
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,199
let's bring people in with

2289
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,239
heavy machine guns and uh deal with the

2290
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:17,760
the people who are already shooting each

2291
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,000
other in the streets but they have a war

2292
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:22,080
yeah all right war breaking out on the

2293
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,440
streets so badly

2294
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,600
um lately we've been having problems

2295
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,440
with looting mass looting

2296
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:30,080
along with the protests you know it's

2297
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:30,480
just

2298
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,159
it's bad and but something tells me that

2299
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,679
this has been boarding

2300
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,440
a simmering just under the surface for

2301
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,280
so long that maybe

2302
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,000
all that negativity all that energy is

2303
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,920
what either summoned it

2304
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:46,320
um kind of like basically chumming the

2305
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:49,760
water this thing got attracted to it

2306
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,960
or it manifested itself right um as a

2307
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,080
result of all this

2308
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,520
it didn't help that people were out

2309
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,199
there you know summoning it

2310
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,320
on you know using uh

2311
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:02,480
you know the you know witchcraft or

2312
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:03,360
anything like that

2313
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:06,400
to for lack of a better word but you

2314
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,280
know

2315
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,920
this area has just been uh it's just

2316
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,760
been um

2317
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,800
a powder keg yeah with uh you know so

2318
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,560
many things and just somebody sitting

2319
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:18,639
there just sparking the fuse until one

2320
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,760
day it's got lit

2321
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,920
and you know we find ourselves in the

2322
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:23,920
present situation we're in now

2323
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,679
i mean well guys i tell you what

2324
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,679
what we're gonna have to probably what

2325
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,920
we're gonna have to do eventually i i

2326
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,360
think when we

2327
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,760
start getting a smattering of cases

2328
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,960
again

2329
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,800
uh we're gonna have to come back and do

2330
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:41,360
this again on the on here you know

2331
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:45,360
sure as well as the the regular 14 team

2332
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,920
coming on and talking uh people seem to

2333
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,280
enjoy it

2334
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,600
uh they're they're truly interested in

2335
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,600
what we're investigating

2336
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,760
and uh you know i think they like these

2337
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,320
first-hand accounts so um

2338
01:28:01,350 --> 01:28:00,400
again i thank you guys for coming on the

2339
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:01,360
show and

2340
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,400
uh you know i'm gonna check into this

2341
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:06,159
sighting i got tonight maybe we got

2342
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,360
another one so

2343
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:10,080
who knows so you all uh take it easy

2344
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:11,760
have a good weekend i'll be talking to

2345
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,480
you soon

2346
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:14,639
sounds good thanks thank you okay take

2347
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,270
now if you have an unexplained encounter

2348
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,960
society feel free to contact me through

2349
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:23,199
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2350
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,639
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2351
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2352
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2354
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2355
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,719
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2356
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2357
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:38,960
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2359
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,480
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2360
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,639
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2361
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,239
evening and i want to thank you for

2362
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:49,679
listening to the show

2363
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:52,159
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2364
01:29:02,670 --> 01:28:52,800
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2365
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:22,830
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